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Title: Lasting Style Meets Every day life Episode 13: Landscaping
CHAD: Lasting Style Meets Every day life – Episode 13
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CHAD: Hi, this is Chad Harris
BETH: And this is Beth Harris
CHAD: And we’re with Lasting Style Meets Every day life and today Beth we’ve got a special guest.
BETH: We do indeed, we have the one and only Sarah Draper
CHAD: That’s right, that’s right Sarah Draper is here, Super Sarah. She’s a landscape architect by trade and manager and all super star Garden Gate everything. Is that a good way to explain her?
BETH: I like to call her the energizer bunny
CHAD: That’s right, the energizer bunny, that’ right, that’s right. All you got to do is give her a little bit of red bull, little bit of coffee and she’s on her way. What do you think?
BETH: I know that’s a fact
CHAD: That’s right. She’s mother of one Marine lives here in the New Orleans area and who can tell us more about Sarah than Sarah herself. That’s when you got to start talking girl
SARAH: Hi! I’m Sarah
CHAD: Alight, Alight. Sarah this is what we really want to know. We want to know a little bit about you. I know that you’re from the Baton Rouge area
SARAH: Yup my roots are here in Louisiana, I grew up in Baton Rouge for most of my life
CHAD: That’s right, and you went to?
SARAH: Louisiana State University (LSU)
CHAD: That’s right, and you were a?
SARAH: I went LSU for landscape architecture one of the most wonderful experiences of my life for five years – five and a half years
CHAD: There you go there, I think your mom remembers that extra half
SARAH: Yeah, I had to travel a lot
CHAD: That’s it, that’s it. Like really, how did you get into landscape architecture?
SARAH: Well you know, it’s a very special story to me because I grew up with a grandfather that was a master gardener out of Georgia and as a child he would take me and teach me plants at a very young age and so it just seemed like the right place for me to be as an adult to be in the world of plant material and design and how it all fits together in one big picture
CHAD: Oh you know that’s really great because those are the kind of things that make you who you are and having that connection of a relative that really inspired you, it’s great that you actually went on and did something with it, you know?
SARAH: Very defining, very defining
CHAD: So now we have the back story, landscape architect, inspired by your grandfather, driven by your mother; you know because I know her well
SARAH: She’s a awesome
CHAD: And She is, she’s totally awesome and so let’s just put that all aside and let’s step into some simple stuff. Tell me – and this is kind of funny because people always ask me this all the time so I figured I would ask you these questions. What’s your favourite flower?
SARAH: Well I’d have to say I can’t decide to be honest but if I had to pick something right off the bat I would have to say the rose because it was one of the first plants I planted in my garden and I really love the fact that it’s so versatile it has so many different colours, and shapes in the landscape and it smells really good but a runner-up and very close runner-up would be the gardenia and that goes back to my grandfather we have a special connection with that plant and I also love the fact that it’s evergreen shrub and it smells really good again, so I guess smells a big factor and that dark green leaf against the white flower just really hits home
CHAD: Dynamite, so let’s think we would call that a “Rogardenia”; a rogardenia
SARAH: Yup, we need to hybridize that
CHAD: So that definitely going to be a plant that’s crossed hybridized, that’ll be a good one
CHAD: So then what’s your favourite herb?
SARAH: Oh that’s an easy one, that would be lavender because you could use it for everything – everything! Cooking, it smells really good, it keeps the bugs away, it’s relaxing
CHAD: You know it’s interesting that you said that because we did a test at our house after I read an article in the Times about how a difficult time people had growing lavender in New Orleans and I responded, maybe it was an online version of it. I responded to it like “hey come and check with me in five months because I’m going to grow it and it’s going to be spectacular” and I know Beth everyday is out there tending to her little lavender plants and even last night what happened when Ashton walked in
BETH: Oh, didn’t he call it rosemary?
CHAD: Yes he did, he called it rosemary
BETH: And I was just showing so and so the rosemary and i looked at him and i was like “rosemary!”. I said are you talking about the lavender?
CHAD: And he’s like yeah whatever, rosemary, lavender it’s all the same

No. Have you guys ever had lavender crème brûlée?

CHAD: No I haven’t but it sounds good
SARAH: Yes I have
BETH: If this is a question fest crème brûlée is my favourite then throw a little lavender in it and then we’re done
CHAD: It’s double favourite, that’s what it is double favourite. Alright so let’s move on; Sarah what’s your favourite tree?
SARAH: That’s an easy one as well, I’ve grown up in Louisiana I would have to say the oak tree. It’s a symbol of strength and it’s a symbol of timeless beauty and it’s just an anchor in our community and in our structure and our city so I would say I love oak trees, live oak trees especially
CHAD: Yeah, I connect well with that, I’ve spoken in these podcasts before about running on St. Charles, being covered from the sun, all of these wonderful things by these cascading massive southern live oaks that literally cover the streets. You know and it’s true when I’ve spoken before on City Park, it’s super duper old tree, it’s like a bazillion years old, maybe a bazillion is stretching it a little bit
SARAH: It’s like five hundred years
CHAD: Yeah, something like that, something crazy like that, it’s really old
BETH: Well they have historical significant too, they have the duelling oaks in City Park too where they would go out to duel
CHAD: That’s right, that’ right we might have to go do that tonight, we’ll duel with one another. What are we using?
BETH: I think the problem is I can’t collect the insurance once I – yeah so let’s skip that
CHAD: Yeah let’s skip that part, let’s skip that park. So what is your favourite indoor plant?
SARAH: That would have to be the orchids
CHAD: I knew you were going to say it, I knew it
SARAH: I love orchids because they offer such grace and beauty within the interior design but after their done blooming they also offer a wonderful challenge with an amazing reward
You took the words right out my mouth. A challenge – a challenge to get it to re-bloom.
SARAH: Yes but when you do, I have a little tradition in the house, if I get an orchid to re-bloom I actually name the plant, I am that much of a plant geek
CHAD: Oh I love it, that’s a really interesting thing to consider. Like if you get it to re-bloom, you actually get to name it
SARAH: Her name is Audrey
CHAD: Audrey, I love it, I love it
BETH: It’s a birthing process
CHAD: I’m sure it’s definitely a birthing process. So then, what is your favourite outdoor garden?
SARAH: Well that is an interesting question because I’ve travelled so many different places and I was really interested in the history of landscape architecture narrowing it down to The Japanese Garden, The Silver Pavilion in  Kyōto and it’s an amazing garden that just is – it has an interesting design because with all the Japanese gardens they just have an interesting combination of nature and mindfulness of their space and a timeless design that is still maintained by some of the oldest traditions in mankind. I remember one particular experience walking through this garden in the morse forest up the hills, there was an old man who was sweeping the morse and maintaining it with this broom that the design was probably over five hundred years old and to this day they still maintain it that way and it’s just one of the most serene environments I’ve ever been in and sticks with me to this day
CHAD: You know, hold on, those are the pictures you shared with me?
CHAD: Amazing. It almost doesn’t look real
SARAH: It doesn’t, it looks like something out of some sort of Hollywood movie
CHAD: I was going to say like The Hobbits or something
CHAD: It looks like somebody actually created it and like it’s frozen in time in a box, not in nature and I guess that landscape architecture work and or garden design really is so rewarding and a lot of people don’t realise how rewarding it is and you know and they just think oh you play with plants and this is going to take us into our next little spot here and so exactly why does somebody need a landscape architect?
SARAH: A landscape architect can see the big picture. They can look at an entire space and be able to determine what elements of that space that are existing that need to stay, what elements that they’re intended to add, where they should go and the best placement in that space. They are aware of the details of a design project but at the same time they always keep in mind the overall impact of whatever project that they’re on, not only that immediate space but the community around it
CHAD: You know it’s interesting and I always bring this up, you and I have chatted about this before and Jessie and I have chatted about this before, what most people don’t realise landscape architects are the people that tell the architects where to put the building on the property. I mean that’s how important that role is and circulation, and pedestrian use and all those things. So now how do you take all of that public thinking and apply it to simple terms in someone’s yard?
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CHAD: That’s a thinker
SARAH: That’s a thinker. You know the approach I like to take is to talk to the person that is working on the project and find out and really listen to what they want to do with their space and really listen to their likes and dislikes and all of those factors and once you’ve determined these things then you can define how the space is going to be best used.
CHAD: You know that’s a good point and that really brings up the next topic. So long term verses short term planning. Most people and I’m even this way, it’s like I want a pair of running shoes I want them in 30 seconds, I don’t want them in a week, I want them now, you know? And we have such a desire to have things immediately, where landscapes aren’t like that. It’s time value, invested, the longer it takes, the better the reward is, do people need a long term plan and a short term plan? A short term plan to fix their immediate need and a long term plan to structure an overall goal
Yes I agree. I think that when you look at a project you need to look at how it’s going to be in 50 years to 100 hundred years. That’s one of the reasons why City Park and Autumn Park work so well because somebody has the presence of mind to say keep these oak trees, keep these other plants because they’re special and they’re going to maintain a certain quality of this project for hundreds of years. The same idea can go into your personal landscape design where you really think about your plant choices and how big they’re going to get in the overall structure of the space but at the same time you do find that there are immediate things that need to be addressed drainage and plant issues and existing plants they need to be treated and of course that instant gratification that we all know and love which you can get with some fun stuff like annuals and perennials and that kind of thing but thinking of the long term picture is far more rewarding than just doing an immediate gratification and regretting what you’ve done afterwards because it doesn’t work
CHAD: No you’re right, so today we uploaded, or I should say I uploaded another book to Amazon. “The Garden Made Simple” book, so now it’s available and that brings me to this topic, because you’ve worked on this the longest with me and...
SARAH: Eleven years
CHAD: Light years, light years – it’s been light years we’ve worked on it
BETH: She said eleven
CHAD: Oh you said eleven? I was thinking light years. So you actually saw it in the beginning when it was just a sheet of paper, then you saw it when it was four sheets of paper, then a little stapled booklet, then a printed out booklet, now it’s an electronic document that’s downloadable for anybody and really the whole point behind it is that anyone in the USA can take that document, fill it out, take some pictures, measure their yard, contact us or walk into their garden centre in their local area and say “hey I need some help”. So how does somebody use it?
SARAH: It’s actually a really great programme for somebody who wants to learn about their space and the how’s and why’s and where things go. It’s so simple, it’s literally gardening made simple. All you do is take pictures of the space and the best pictures are the ones that encompasses the whole property, so whomever you’re talking to can get a real feel for the property and then measure the space and make notes about the things that you like and you don’t like and document any existing plant material that you don’t want to keep like large trees and shrubs and that kind of thing. It’s that easy and then you can take it to one of the experts in your area or if you brought it to me we would talk about all these facets of your design and the uses of your space and then create a design based off of your needs and wants and go from there
CHAD: You know you brought up the picture part. The picture part is really important – hey people when you take the picture make sure your camera, if you’re using your iPhone make it horizontal, don’t make it vertical because then you’re going to bring us a picture that’s the size of your thumb. We need wider pictures which is a good point. One of the other things is that there’s a graphed sheet of paper in the book that is scaled, you can apply the scale, it is set up that every square is a foot. So that if your property is a little larger every square might need to be three feet. So when you figure it out and you sketch out your yard, you can just kind of follow the little grid so that when you bring it either if you’re in the New Orleans market or you send it to us or you brought it to a professional in your area , they had a good idea of what you have and then you can make little notes, like you said, sketches, but pictures worth like a thousand words, it really tells us what goes on. What are some of the important things that someone needs to do just in general, like when they’re thinking about planting trees or anything like that? You know sun, shade, where does the sun point, where does it come over your house or where does it not come over your house and selecting plant material
SARAH: Well, you bring that up and it makes me think of a project I’m working on right now and I have the sun that comes up in the morning and it hits my front door and I think to myself every morning as I walk out “gosh it would be nice to have some shade right there”
CHAD: So is that the first time you walk on a morning
SARAH: First time
CHAD: When you come to work out or the second time
SARAH: No, no, right now it’s hot in the summer so yes it’s the first time. But in January it wasn’t until the second time but...
CHAD: That’s right, that’s right
SARAH: But that’s the kind of thing that you look at, your personal experience in this space, this is your home, this is your escape from the world, you want it to be exactly how you can picture it in your mind, so things like that. Like I walk out of my door every morning and I think, I need to put a tree to provide myself some shade in the morning and then I start thinking about that tree I’d want to do and the questions in my mind start going on and on. It’s so funny because I can do a million designs for everybody else but doing it for yourself is a little bit different
CHAD: It’s really tough, you know you’re right
SARAH: It’s hard
CHAD: It took a long time to plant our front yard because I never was happy and now I just have to be happy with what’s there and people walk by and are like “it’s so beautiful” and I’m like “oh, yeah, there’s like fifty things that need to be done.” And they’re like “What are you talking about?” You know, so you’re critical of your own work and your layout that it just makes you bananas
SARAH: Yes it does, it does
CHAD: Sometimes you just have to do it. And that’s a really good point for anyone. The whole point of the conversation is, I think what you need to do is look at your life, your lifestyle, how you want it to turn out to be. Do you want to create this beautiful shaded area that you can sit outside and entertain? Do you want to have a pool in your backyard? Do you want to have a kids swing set? Or do you want all of those things? And then you decide how your life is going to work with those. Have a long term plan and kind of work on the execution side. And then that’s really where you need to connect with; somebody that clearly loves design, understands how everything that goes into installation and what not, can help guide you and it can be a wide variety of different resources that you might have to lean on. But I think you have to find someone that has the same personality, what do you think?
SARAH: I agree, I think whoever you work with, even when you’re working with a professional on a project, it needs to be somebody that listens to you that understands your needs and wants and gets you. Because it is a personal project when you’re working on a residential design and it is important that the professionals that you’re working with are willing to take the steps to make sure you’re happy with the end result of the project and that’s what’s really neat about the Gardening Made Simple, is that you’re very much involved with the plant choices and the decisions because in the end a lot of times you’re doing the installation yourself which I would walk people through from the very first picture to the final flower planted and I even have people come back and have graduated their programme and still wanted to do different things
CHAD: That’s right, that’s right. Hold on wait, you have one that I think has flipped three houses by now
SARAH: Yes and he’s actually very good at it and most times he just wants me to go “yes that’s right, you did a good job!”
CHAD: Isn’t he now helping his friends and his neighbours do their yards
SARAH: The whole neighbourhood goes to him now. He’s like I should have in doctrine him into the professional community
CHAD: Exactly, exactly. That’s really great to know; getting to know you a little bit, having people hear your voice, your side, understanding your passion your grandfather instilled in you, how your mom – I know she whipped you, she might not admit that she whipped you
BETH: The wooden spoon
CHAD: The wooden spoon
SARAH: She knows what that means
CHAD: I know, I know. All of our parents had a wooden spoon
BETH: I know, I was just going to say that
CHAD: I think we all had it, but I know those kinds of things are crafted how you think about this as a profession, it’s really kind of exciting. I know that Beth is totally excited when we talk about landscaping
BETH: Hey, I like to admire landscaping
CHAD: There you go, there you go, so my name’s Chad Harris
BETH: I’m Beth Harris
CHAD And...
SARAH: Sarah Draper
CHAD: That’s right and we’re from “Lasting Style Meets Everyday Life” you can check us out at, or you can read about us every day at ; we’re available seven days a week at 2918 Metairie Road and that’s Metairie Louisiana, just a rock throw from New Orleans, Louisiana.
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